Old Hokky Poblems

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Hey there guys

I am new to this forum and hope you can help out.

I run a bar that has a very high turn over of lager and cream flow and I had one real ale pump installed in March.

Since then I have tried quite a few ales but have stuck to Old Hooky the past three months because it was very reliable / tasted great and I could tap and vent and it would drop real fast and sometimes I could serve within a day of taping but the past month every cask I have had in has been cloudy as hell. I returned 6 one week for a credit then two weeks later I had another 5 delivered but they turned out cloudy but tasted okay, this week I had another 3 and the same issue, it looks terrible but tastes great.

I clean the lines every week and lately I have been cleaning them twice a week, I use Molson Coors standard line cleaner with warm water and rinse plenty, leave the pump engaged to clean the mechanism etc but it still keeps coming out cloudy. I have checked the lines for yeast build up but they are clear and I have a high turnover and can do Three casks a night so its not going sour in the line.

I have ordered some Rev James, Doombar, and Green King IPA for next week to see if those are any better.

Can anyone think of anything I might be doing wrong or ideas on how to fix this issue?

Thanks in Adcance!

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  1. 430 wrote: Hey there guys

    I am new to this forum and hope you can help out.

    I run a bar that has a very high turn over of lager and cream flow and I had one real ale pump installed in March.

    Since then I have tried quite a few ales but have stuck to Old Hooky the past three months because it was very reliable / tasted great and I could tap and vent and it would drop real fast and sometimes I could serve within a day of taping but the past month every cask I have had in has been cloudy as hell. I returned 6 one week for a credit then two weeks later I had another 5 delivered but they turned out cloudy but tasted okay, this week I had another 3 and the same issue, it looks terrible but tastes great.

    I clean the lines every week and lately I have been cleaning them twice a week, I use Molson Coors standard line cleaner with warm water and rinse plenty, leave the pump engaged to clean the mechanism etc but it still keeps coming out cloudy. I have checked the lines for yeast build up but they are clear and I have a high turnover and can do Three casks a night so its not going sour in the line.

    I have ordered some Rev James, Doombar, and Green King IPA for next week to see if those are any better.

    Can anyone think of anything I might be doing wrong or ideas on how to fix this issue?

    Thanks in Adcance!

    Wow! you are selling three cask ale a night, there will be a lot of Pub Landlords envious of you, you should be on 36’s. I take it nothing has changed with your routine and you are stillaged with cask lying on its side. I have had something similar in the past.

    Perhaps something has changed in the brewery like for example they are filling the containers a bit more than usual if that is the case then to vent off the container will have to be stillaged dead level, so it can vent off properly. Otherwise the beer will remain clouldy the reason I suggest this I have gone to accounts in the past where people tilt the barrel to start with or the draymen stillage them for you already tilted. Have you changed your pegs, you are using the soft porous pegs to vent off?

    For you to have problems it is probably something simple like this and is being overlooked because you have been ok up until now. Unless of course there is something wrong with the brew, some brews can take days to clear down we are after all dealing with live beer. Oh I nearly forgot with this weather your cellar cooling hasn’t stopped working has it? If the cellar temp is above 60 degrees Fahrenheit it will be working all the time and never clear down.

    I can’t think of anything else at the moment.

  2. Thanks for the Advice, i called Tec Services tonight to request some Vertical taps and my local rep is coming to give me some next week, i will see how i get on with those.

    My beer is all done by myself, as soon as they are delivered i tap and rest them horizontally for two to three days before pulling into the line, all on wooden chocks no tilts etc. i am lucky that i sell most on fri sat sun and my delivery day is tuesday so i have time to rest them all at least three days.
    My cellar has Two Huge industrial AirCon units so even if one broke the other takes over and i have had no problems with those lately and all five of my coolers have been running fine.

    Like you say i think it must be an issue at the Brewery but i would still be interested in any ideas other people have as to why this might be happening. I have asked Coors about it but as usual they are extremely reluctant to say if they have had other calls about the beer being cloudy of late.

    Three barrels a night – my record is 6 and they were not even left to settle, had a group of guys wanted it so bad they asked me to just tap and pour it straight away!, you should see how many barrels of carling i get through on a Saturday 😉 8)

  3. 430 wrote: Thanks for the Advice, i called Tec Services tonight to request some Vertical taps and my local rep is coming to give me some next week, i will see how i get on with those.

    My beer is all done by myself, as soon as they are delivered i tap and rest them horizontally for two to three days before pulling into the line, all on wooden chocks no tilts etc. i am lucky that i sell most on fri sat sun and my delivery day is tuesday so i have time to rest them all at least three days.
    My cellar has Two Huge industrial AirCon units so even if one broke the other takes over and i have had no problems with those lately and all five of my coolers have been running fine.

    Like you say i think it must be an issue at the Brewery but i would still be interested in any ideas other people have as to why this might be happening. I have asked Coors about it but as usual they are extremely reluctant to say if they have had other calls about the beer being cloudy of late.

    Three barrels a night – my record is 6 and they were not even left to settle, had a group of guys wanted it so bad they asked me to just tap and pour it straight away!, you should see how many barrels of carling i get through on a Saturday 😉 8)

    Oh and i use Soft pegs and it is vented at a slight angle due to the cellar floor where they are positioned, but they have always been in this position so i cant see that being an issue. i have another to tap tonight so i will chock the front up a bit more on the slanted floor so the barrel is perfectly level and i will see if that helps me solve the issue.

  4. give em a good roll and shake before racking , its it cloudy at the barrel ? or at the pump only ?

    ps once had a peeved of member of staff who was kicking the barrels every shift to stitch me up 🙁 took me a few weeks of head scratching to work that one out thought i was going mad

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